About the losses in the Second World War and the Immortal Regiment - Tynu40k Goblina. About the losses in the Second World War and the immortal regiment In the Second World War, 42 million people died

Recently, President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin, at a meeting of the Pobeda organizing committee, called for making available different kinds archives, including the military. I, of course, "for". It is only necessary to do this very carefully and carefully. And then after all, facts can be interpreted in different ways. As it was, for example, with the feat of 28 Panfilov heroes.

Everyone remembers the words of the popular song: "We need one victory, one for all, we will not stand up for the price." The price of victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 was very high. Stalin talked about 7 million dead, Khrushchev - about 20, Brezhnev - about 25, Gorbachev - about 27 million.
Which one of them was telling the truth?

Declassified documents from the archives make us rethink the history of the Great Patriotic War. According to the recently declassified data of the State Planning Committee of the USSR, the losses Soviet Union in World War II amount to 41 million 979 thousand (more than 19 million military personnel and about 23 million civilians).

According to the census, the population of the USSR by 1941 was 195 million people. That is, one in five died!

The co-chairman of the Immortal Regiment of Russia movement, State Duma deputy Nikolai Zemtsov, presented the report “Documentary Basis for the People’s Project “Establishing the Fates of the Missing Defenders of the Fatherland”, within the framework of which studies of the population decline were carried out, which changed the idea of ​​the scale of the losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.

“The total decline in the population of the USSR in 1941-1945 was more than 52 million 812 thousand people,” Zemtsov said, citing declassified data from the USSR State Planning Committee. - Of these, irretrievable losses as a result of the factors of war - more than 19 million military personnel and about 23 million civilians. The total natural mortality of military personnel and the civilian population during this period could have amounted to more than 10 million 833 thousand people (including 5 million 760 thousand - ​deceased children under the age of four). The irretrievable losses of the population of the USSR as a result of the action of war factors amounted to almost 42 million people.

In the First World War, Russia lost 700 thousand people. This is 60 times less than the losses of the USSR in World War II.
In World War II, Great Britain lost 379 thousand people, the USA - 408 thousand people, France - 665 thousand people. Germany, the loser, lost 6 million 760 thousand people.

Historians are still arguing about the exact number of casualties during the war years, both among the military and among the civilian population. The ratio of the losses of the Red Army and the Eastern Front of the Wehrmacht is estimated at approximately 5:1.
According to our historians, 14 million Red Army soldiers died.
The losses of the Wehrmacht (according to German data) are over 4 million killed, including on the Eastern Front - 2.8 million.
3.8 million Soviet soldiers died in German captivity.

Stalin's unwillingness to surrender Kyiv led to the fact that the troops were not withdrawn in time and were surrounded. Near Kyiv, Bryansk-Vyazma, 1.3 million of our soldiers were captured.

Stalin expressed himself clearly: "to complete the task, regardless of the victims."
In all major European wars, Russia lost three of its own for one dead enemy soldier. The losses of the Red Army near Moscow were three times higher than the losses of Army Group Center.

After the 1945 Victory Parade on Red Square, Alexander Dovzhenko bitterly noted in his diary that when Zhukov mentioned the fallen in Zhukov's "solemn and formidable speech," there was no pause, no mourning march, no silence. As if these millions of victims and heroes did not live at all. Before their great memory, before blood and torment, the square did not kneel, did not think, did not sigh, did not take off its hat.

“The duty of current generations is to remember at what cost the Victory was won,” said Vladimir Putin.

In order to find out if people remember at what cost the Victory was won, I went to the Immortal Regiment march in our area on May 5, 2017. The results of the answers stunned me! My opinion poll can be viewed in my

May 3rd, 2018 07:00 pm

The latest figure of 41,979,000 dead, announced in the State Duma, is shocking for an unprepared person, and for anti-Sovietists, wild joy, because they receive another confirmation of the mediocrity of the "cannibalistic Stalinist regime." But if you turn on your brain and rely on the basic figures for the pre-war and post-war population of the USSR, then you can easily understand that these numbers are a giant lie. Now I will illustrate this.

From my first topic, which exposes the new figure of losses of 42 million people from nowhere, it logically follows to continue with the calculation of more real losses suffered by the peoples of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. But first, I'll show you the updated demographic chart:



I made the following adjustments to it: I took the population of the USSR at the end of 1945 of 170.5 million people from Krivosheev. The previous one was equal to 172 million. This increased the total decline in the population of the USSR to 34.5-36.5 million people.

Based on this figure, it is now possible to calculate the irretrievable losses of the military and civilians during the years of the war. To do this, it is enough to subtract from the total loss those who migrated (did not return from captivity and forced labor in Germany). According to Krivosheev, there were 180 thousand and 450 thousand people. Total 0.63 million

It remains to find out the natural increase in the population, which did not take place during the war years due to low birth rates and increased mortality. For this, I used the reference book of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR "Number, composition and movement of the population of the USSR" for 1965. There, on page 215, we learn that before the war, the annual population growth of the USSR ranged from 3 to 3.3 million people. For 5 years, according to the minimum and maximum scenario, this will give us a figure of 15 and 16.5 million people. We use the smaller number for the maximum loss scenario, and the larger one for the minimum one.

As a result, we get the result, which I depicted in the diagram:


Maximum figure - 20,9 million dead and killed during the war. This figure is very close to the official loss figure of the Brezhnev era, and the minimum figure in 17.4 million. close to Viktor Zemskov's figure in 16 million. Human.

I dare to suggest that by my reasoning I proved the complete delusion of the new figure of 42 million people. By the way, as well as the delusional perestroika loss figure of 26.7 million people, invented by the order of Alexander Yakovlev by the team of Andreev, Darsky and Kharkova, known for sucking out of the finger 7 million supposedly starved by Stalin in 1932-33.

On February 14, the State Duma held parliamentary hearings “Patriotic Education of Russian Citizens: The Immortal Regiment”. MPs State Duma, co-chairs of the All-Russian public movement "Immortal Regiment of Russia" and representatives of other public organizations discussed the importance of patriotic education for the citizens of the country!
At the hearings, the co-chairman of the Immortal Regiment of Russia movement presented the report “Documentary Basis of the People’s Project “Establishing the Fates of the Missing Defenders of the Fatherland”, within the framework of which studies were carried out on the decline in the population of the USSR in 1941-45. He changed the idea of ​​the scale of the losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.
According to declassified According to the State Planning Committee of the USSR, losses of the Soviet Union in World War II are 41 million 979 thousand, not 27 million as previously thought. That's almost one-third of the current population. Russian Federation. Behind this terrible figure are our fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers. Those who gave their lives for our future. (Paphos! Applause turning into an ovation!)

First, the declassified data of the Ministry of Defense appeared, then the declassified data of the long-abolished State Planning Commission became.

What was it?

Where is this nonsense from?

What does it have to do with patriotic education?

That's what it is and what's going on with the "Immortal Regiment" - I'll tell you briefly.
First, about losses.
The main thing is that there were no “declassified data on losses”. That is, it was not at all.
It’s just that someone Igor Ivanovich Ivlev, the creator and moderator of the site soldier.ru, decided to raise the topic of “monstrous losses” again and started juggling numbers, oh, calculations (!). He's not the first. There were many rascals who did the same. The most odious and ignorant is Boris Sokolov, who at one time counted 60 million.

So, the basic postulates of calculations.
The decline in the population of the USSR in 1941-1945. Those who have eyes will see. If you take a calculator, let it count.
I. By 1941, there are only 2 categories of persons included in the calculations:
1. Civilians included in the document of the State Planning Committee of the USSR - 199.920.100 hours (scan).
2. Servicemen of the USSR Armed Forces, taken into account in the publication of M.V. Zakharov, document of the RGVA (NKVD troops) - 5.082.305 hours (scan).
3. Total - 205.002.405 hours

What can be said here? The author is either a fool or a swindler. There are many reports from the State Planning Committee indicating the population in 1941. And all according to the documents, the scans of which are on the Internet. All data is calculated, because there was no census, and the population changed a lot. Figures appear from 192 to 199 million.
The author simply grabbed the largest figure and rushes with it.
But there are also calculation methods. There is a census for 1939 - 170.5 million citizens. There is a population of territories annexed before the war - 22.5 million people.
Total: 193 million + natural increase. It was in this way that the most reliable figure was obtained - 196 million.

Now - what is the stupidity of the author. The author, as befits an idiot, decided that the army, it is not part of the population, but above it. And he simply added to the largest calculated figure, having received 205 million.
And at the same time, he "received" a fourfold (!) Increase in natural growth in the prewar years. Like, they began to give birth more often, and only triplets !!!

We go further:
II. By 1945, there are 3 categories of persons included in the calculations:
3. The number of civilians as of 01.07.45 - 151.165.200 hours, together with surviving children under the age of 4 years 11.859.776 hours (see paragraph 9 below and documents of the State Planning Committee of the USSR). Without civilian children born in the war, by 01.07.45 - 139.305.424 h.
4. The strength of the USSR Armed Forces on the same date - 12.839.800 hours (documents of TsAMO RF).
5. The number of displaced persons - people who were not part of the civilian population at the time of the submission of calculations by the territorial departments of the State Planning Commission and were not part of the USSR Armed Forces - 5.804.524 hours (SARF documents in the publication of V.N. Zemskov).
6. Total - 169.809.524 hours (151.165.200 + 12.839.800 + 5.804.524).
And here the author considers the army separately !!! So what can still not an idiot, but a swindler?
The population of the USSR at the end of the war was 170 million. If we add, according to the author's method, the army, then we, lo and behold, will get 183 million and the losses will be much less than the official ones !!!
Profit! What miracles can be done by juggling with initially correct numbers.

III. Born in 1941-1945 children and overall mortality:
7. Children were born in 4 years - 17.619.776 hours (scans 1 and 2).
8. Died - 5.760.000 hours (scans 1, 2, 3).
9. Children under 4 years of age survived by 01.07.45 - 11.859.776 hours (17.619.776 - 5.760.000).
10. In total, citizens of the USSR died in 4 years (the level of "natural" mortality in 1941, multiplied by 4 years) - 10.833.240 hours, incl. 5.760.000 children (scans 1, 2, 3).
IV. The number of those who survived the war who lived by 06/22/41:
11. By 07/01/45, those who were alive on 06/22/41 remained - 157.949.748 hours (169.809.524 - 17.619.776 + 5.760.000).
Anyone who goes to the site and looks at the scans will suddenly find that these are not documents, but Ivlev's calculations! This is understandable, since keeping records of the birth rate during the war was difficult, especially considering that up to a third of the population was under occupation.
But the author boldly considers the birth rate by pre-war standards! And in this way, with a stroke of the pen, he "killed" from 3 to 4 million innocent children.

About natural mortality. We look at his "scans" and see that these are again the author's calculations. The author boldly extrapolates pre-war mortality to the war years and unoccupied territories to occupied ones! Yes, and applying all this to an overestimated population. It's so convenient - immediately the natural increase grows, and with it the losses that the author needs anyway. Here the author again wins back several million.
And, of course, the author does not take into account such nuances as the transfer of the Bialystok region with the population to Poland after the war.

Attention!We have already found 14-16 million people of defamatory losses.
That is, there are no 42 million. There are real losses of 27 million and juggling with numbers in order to overestimate these losses.

Now let's move on to the Immortal Regiment. I have already informed the leadership of this organization that they are throwing in fraudulent, anti-Soviet figures, covering them up with the authority of their organization. But they prefer to believe jugglers.

Then they wonder:
But what was our surprise when we learned that now a number of opposition publications are starting to use this information for their own purposes, as well as manipulate it, generalize it and thus try to harm our state,” Nikolai Zemtsov said at a press conference.

What happens to this action?

Everything seemed to be fine two years ago.

But now the prosecutor (now a deputy) Poklonskaya arranges a vile trick by going to the action with the icon of the king-rag, while telling some kind of fairy tale for the mentally mournful. And the leadership of the "Immortal Regiment" is silent.
An emblem is proposed, where the Soviet symbols are replaced by George the Victorious with a cross on a spear. How so? The victory in the Great Patriotic War was won not by the Orthodox army over the filthy Germans, but by the Soviet multinational and multi-confessional (and in the mass and atheistic) people. But the leadership of the "Immortal Regiment" - accepts the emblem.
In Russian Orthodox Church suggested that the organizers of the Immortal Regiment movement allow the procession participants to honor the memory of heroes not only of the Great Patriotic War(WWII), but also other wars. For example, the First World War and the Patriotic War of 1812. Dmitry Roshchin, head of the department for work with public organizations of the Synodal department for relations between the church, society and the media, told the Moscow city news agency about this. And the leadership of the Immortal Regiment agrees.

Initially, the "Immortal Regiment" was created by liberals as an act of oblivion. It was forbidden to use Soviet symbols, and they tried to make it not a holiday, but a day of mourning. I already wrote about it.
Thanks to the position of our fellow citizens, the action was pulled out from under the liberals and made a day of triumph for the victorious people.
But the action immediately began to crush the government. Government officials diligently direct it in the "right" direction. In anti-Soviet. Our major government officials have such a property as King Midas. But for him, everything that he did not touch turned into gold, and for government officials - into shit.
And so they reached out to the "Immortal Regiment" and diligently disfigure this action, again turning it into an action of oblivion.

I do not call not to go to this action. Comrades, just going to it, remember that it depends on you what this action will be. It will be a procession of the descendants of Soviet victorious soldiers. winners in Greatest War who broke the back of fascism and Nazism. And will the descendants remember who fought, for what and under whose command.
Or it will be a jingoistic procession with icons in honor of all the victories under the auspices of the king-rag.
All in your hands. And you have the power to wrest the action from the clutches of officials and leave it to the people.

Recently, parliamentary hearings “Patriotic Education of Russian Citizens: “The Immortal Regiment”” were held in the Duma. They were attended by deputies, senators, representatives of the legislative and supreme executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, the Ministries of Education and Science, Defense, Foreign Affairs, Culture, members of public associations, organizations of foreign compatriots ... True, there were no those who came up with - ​journalists from Tomsk TV-2, no one even remembered them. And, in general, there was really no need to remember. The "Immortal Regiment", which, by definition, did not provide for any staffing, no commanders and political officers, has already completely transformed into a sovereign "box" of parade crew, and its main task today is to learn to step in step and keep alignment in the ranks.

“What is a people, a nation? First of all, it is respect for victories,” Vyacheslav Nikonov, chairman of the parliamentary committee, admonished the participants when opening the hearings. “Today, when a new war is going on, which someone calls “hybrid”, our Victory becomes one of the main targets for attacks on historical memory. There are waves of falsification of history that should make us believe that it was not us, but someone else who won, and also make us apologize ... "For some reason, the Nikonovs are seriously sure that it was they, long before own birth, won the Great Victory, for which, moreover, someone is trying to make them apologize. But they weren't attacked! And the aching note of the nationwide misfortune that has not passed, the phantom pain for the third generation of the descendants of the soldiers of the Great Patriotic War is drowned out by a cheerful, thoughtless cry: “We can repeat it!”

Really, can we?

It was at these hearings that a terrible figure was named in between times, which for some reason was not noticed by anyone, which did not make us stop in horror on the run in order to understand WHAT we were told after all. Why this was done now, I do not know.

At the hearings, the co-chairman of the Immortal Regiment of Russia movement, State Duma deputy Nikolai Zemtsov, presented the report “The Documentary Basis of the People’s Project “Establishing the Fates of the Missing Defenders of the Fatherland”, within the framework of which studies of the population decline were carried out, which changed the idea of ​​the scale of the losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.

“The total decline in the population of the USSR in 1941-1945 was more than 52 million 812 thousand people,” Zemtsov said, citing declassified data from the USSR State Planning Committee. - Of these, irretrievable losses as a result of the action of war factors - more than 19 million military personnel and about 23 million civilians. The total natural mortality of military personnel and the civilian population during this period could have amounted to more than 10 million 833 thousand people (including 5 million 760 thousand - ​deceased children under the age of four). The irretrievable losses of the population of the USSR as a result of the action of war factors amounted to almost 42 million people.

Can we… do it again?!

Back in the 60s of the last century, the then young poet Vadim Kovda wrote a short poem in four lines: “ If only in my front door / there are three elderly disabled people / then how many of them were injured? / And killed?

Now these elderly people with disabilities due to natural causes are less and less visible. But Kovda imagined the scale of losses quite correctly, it was enough just to multiply the number of front doors.

Stalin, proceeding from considerations inaccessible to a normal person, personally determined the losses of the USSR at 7 million people - a little less than the losses of Germany. Khrushchev - 20 million. Under Gorbachev, a book was published, prepared by the Ministry of Defense under the editorship of General Krivosheev, "The Classification Mark Removed", in which the authors named and in every possible way justified this very figure - 27 million. Now it turns out that she was wrong.